I realize it won’t be like this forever, but while scrolling Lemmy I eventually come to a point when I start to see a lot of old posts and it’s a perfect signal that I’ve done more than enough scrolling for the day
I agree. Very much like Reddit in the early days.
Also, the level of civility and intellect in the comments is relatively high.
Also, the level of civility and intellect in the comments is relatively high.
Fuck you! No it isn’t you moron.
Wow! I want to upvote, downvote and report you at the same time. Kudos!
In the end all i did was leave this lousy comment
Shut the fuck up, you added nothing.
(Adds nothing myself)
See that single downvote? I did that bitches.
I was going to downvote it too but now I can’t.
Don’t worry I downvoted you so the legacy can continue.
The cycle continues
I’ve found more belligerent comments have started to crop up, and sure enough, most of the time the account is about 2 weeks old. I really hope lemmy doesn’t change with this latest influx from reddit.
I expect much bigger influxes. From at least a few dozen people with hundreds of accounts. Probably around the time of an election.
It does make me wonder what safeguards if any Lemmy has against such shittification. What system might work for that? Maybe if you had a way that users could flag other users as trolls or quality contributors, and those flags carry vastly more weight if the person flagging is themselves a quality contributor. That would perhaps create a stable community, not necessarily a good one but at least one which resists change, yet allows a way in for new people.
Fwy, some apps allow for automatically applied icons to indicate such. I forget exactly which ones, but I know PieFed’s web UI does it. It’s very helpful imho.
PieFed also marks people who receive like 10x more downvotes than upvotes. That way you can still choose to read their content, but seeing that, decide how best to respond.
I’ve just started using Summit and they show accounts less than 30 days old. Really slick ui too.
Never heard of that one - neat!
!summit@lemmy.world dev has been really active lately
And it also went open source recently too! I was happy to see that, as I know it was a blocker for a lot of people.
It’s almost crazy just how active the dev is, I feel like I’m always seeing the “Summit was updated” screen - it is very clear just how much passion the dev has for Summit and for the Fediverse.
I got sent gore by a two year old account yesterday
AL or Bloody?
Nicole
I hate Nicole
According to fediverse lore, she’s dead now
Dang, I wonder how much money her family must be asking for for her funeral.
Way more arguments on Lemmy seem to end with the two users stop down voting each other, and then basically concluding ‘that I see your point but still think you’re wrong because youre over emphasizing x or y’.
Way more arguments on Reddit just end with an endless loop of insulting and talking past each other.
I think the effect is probably like 30% selection bias of people coming to Lemmy more intentionally, and 70% lack of bots. Between paid influence campaigns, and Reddit’s own use of bots to juice engagement, my gut feel is that most of those endless arguments are either directly arguments with bots, or indirectly people who have grown so frustrated arguing with bots in other threads that they’re no longer capable of rational discussion.
Also, Reddit comment quality has nosedived in the past year or so. Like, wildly nosedived. It used to be that there would be at least one comment in the top comments that adds some more interesting context to the story, these days, I almost t never see that on Reddit, but frequently do on Lemmy.
Yeah, I agree.
On reddit it seems the remaining human commentators are those who have taken over the mannerisms of the bots and adjusted to talking to the bots.
And you always get stuck in these endless loops of hostile disagreement.
That’s just not how normal humans argue. Even on the internet.
Normal humans either agree to disagree or just give up. In both cases ending the conversation after all useful things have been said.
It is not “rational discourse” so much as “emotional vomit”, assuaging loneliness with robots.
The only ones who win that game are the investors in Reddit, who sell more advertisements by using the “engagement metrics” that such argumentation ramps up.
Normal, satisfied people stop talking eventually, which lowers the profit incentive so they can’t have that, now can they?
It’s like gambling but worse - it’s not mere dollars that can stop upon running out of them, but people’s time that gets bled away moment by moment, until all the other opportunities they could have been spent on are gone. Taking advantage of people’s mental illnesses, which they help foster in the first place.
The average age of a Redditor started to go down even several years ago, long before Rexodus, in large part as the platform changed things to encourage speaking even without bothering to read anything at all.
Thus I decided to leave Reddit regardless, and only fortuitously decided to come here. Some things simply are not worth the trouble.
the platform changed things to encourage speaking even without bothering to read anything at all.
How so? I don’t remember this.
As a mod of a small(-ish) gaming sub, I noticed.:-)
One example is how on r/Android, people would ignore the daily posted and pinned (or perhaps it was weekly?) mega thread, and constantly ask questions like “what phone should I buy?”, “which Android device should I purchase?”, “should I get an Android and if so, which one?” Setting aside how these are impossible without sufficient details e.g. what price range, what country is the OP from, are there relevant sales they are eyeing that would make the calculations different than from simply reading the existing posts that all ask precisely the same question ⁉️… anyway in addition to all that, it made it extremely difficult to have discussions of any real substance.
Combine this with the engagement algorithms and Reddit pushes all that crap (bc it’s “new”) above even extremely highly rated content, even if it was merely a few days old.
Post flairs helped, except that submitters entirely ignore those rules just like they do everything else. User flairs as well, except… same.
About the only thing that really worked was writing your own moderation bot. Ofc the disruption of the 3rd-party tools by making the API cost irl money 🤑💰💵💸 stopped that from working as well.
In short, you must have been in some very well-moderated spaces, possibly also niche, and if you did not browse r/all (or rather r/pop) then yeah, you could miss that trend. But it was definitely happening, and people talked about it in the subs dedicated to moderation.
It did not help that Reddit continually made changes that made it worse over time - practically hiding the rules from new posters to a community, seemingly in an effort to switch the focus away from the roots (before I joined Reddit) of having multiple forums on one combined platform - e.g. each having their own design, like CSS elements (I even made some of these!:-), to having all forums be part of one giant interconnected space, with efforts to erase divisions when moving from one community to another.
i.e. the endless streaming of “content”, but ENCOURAGING interaction via commenting or at least voting, despite whether the audience has any business doing so, e.g. whether their interactions add, do nothing to, or even detract from the conversation.
^THIS
I also choose this guy’s wife
And my bow
etc. To be fair, a little of that is just plain funny, and I hope we can allow for such here on Lemmy (it seems we do actually, when offered with respect?), but when the comments are just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of such in a row, such that it becomes impossible to find anything ELSE besides that… that is when a line has been crossed, and the platform becomes more difficult to read than it is worth. Imagine walking past a preschool on your way to work, and no matter how old you get (30, 40, 50, 60), they always remain the same - babbling as they play. Which they NEED, and hopefully you can enjoy engaging with it yourself. But at some point… don’t you need to get on over to work? When the noise crowds out the signal entirely, making more adult conversations next to impossible, then the only solution is to leave.
Or kick the kids out, i.e. moderation, but that requires enormous efforts. Some subs still do it, but the more Reddit enshittifies the harder it becomes.
And it’s not merely Reddit, it’s simply the nature of the game: https://medium.com/@max.p.schlienger/the-cargo-cult-of-the-ennui-engine-890c541cebcb.
Gotcha. Yes, I stuck to my own mini-feed of a multireddit comprising about 30 subreddits (even though I’m subscribed to probably a hundred). I could not stand the random nature of the ADHD-inducing main feed. For example, instead of /r/Android, I was exclusively in either /r/fossdroid or my own phone model’s specific sub. /r/buyitforlife is awesome as well as /r/zerowaste. I just followed my own interests, haha, and I guess that’s how I ended up with my overall continually positive experience of Reddit (on average lol).
You used it the correct way 😉
Most people wanted more content then the niche subs could offer though.
Nowadays I do think like read physical books 📚😃.
It’s true for more popular sub forums but it sucks for hobbies and more niche topics.
I’m also enjoying participating in forums I would never touch in any other medium. I find the people that I disagree with have much better points, with significantly fewer radicals, idiots or crusaders.
I find the people that I disagree with have much better points
Yeah same. I’ve had many more educational moments on Lemmy, in both directions, than I ever did in 10 years on Reddit
Ugh the crusaders are the worst, they’re just nasty
I find the people that I disagree with have much better points, with significantly fewer radicals, idiots or crusaders.
Honestly, it gives me hope.
My best experiences online have been as part of smaller communities where you can actually know and recognize other people. I see people commenting on threads and I can remember them talking in a different thread (or multiple threads). So it is much easier to know ‘ok that guy is touchy about this thing but is otherwise a decent person’ and not treat everyone like a 1-dimensional character.
There is also a place to politely challenge others, especially when you see more out on a long (touchy) expressions.
I describing myself there on that limb as well of course. I’ve found myself well challenged several times on a limb.
I’m just happy that I dont have to scroll through dozens of puns before I get to the first coherent post.
Le this narwhal bacon midnight that’s what she said doggo.
Using a combination of top day, mark read on scroll, and hide read, I regularly reach the end of the internet, and am glad.
How do you do this? My main problem with Lemmy is that I always see the same posts
I’m using the Boost for Lemmy app on Android. My memory is that the Sync for Lemmy app also has the “mark read on scroll past” feature. I thought I read a discussion that implied that some web Uis for Lemmy also had this, but that’s not what I use and not what I know.
What client are you using to read Lemmy?
Jerboa
I’m confused, is it not on everyone’s settings for their default Lemmy profile?
“Show Read Posts” is a checkmark you can unclick if you want to hide them…
Correct. But the additional feature is available on some clients. The additional feature is to mark posts as read when you merely scroll past them. That way I don’t have to keep scrolling past the same post every time I check Lemmy. I mean, I still scroll past the same link multiple times when different people have posted it to different instances, but I never see the exact same post twice.
Oh interesting, only use desktop so I’m not on mobile so probably missing out on some cool features being developed by others.
Do you feel the apps do a better job of representing a post on the main scroll feed nowadays? I always felt like it lacked context when you were just reading a small excerpt, but I can see something like that easily approved upon and updated.
I do feel the same as the OP poster though, I honestly can’t even get past the first page if I actually click and read the comments and look into the information being presented. One post can completely sidetrack me for a day if people start making claims that are untrue and it’s a whole rabbit hole to get to the bottom of it.
In Boost, I’m happy with Card View that shows pretty big thumbnail and a healthy extract.
Holy shit, at first I thought they were pokemon cards of billionaires like Bezos, Musk etc.
BRB coffee time.
Jerboa
The current scale of Lemmy is appealing. It doesn’t have the same breadth but I happily trade the toxic elements of Reddit, etc, for a little breadth.
Comment quality is also very well balanced…
I never though of it like this. But I like thinking of it this way. I am excited to watch lemmy grow though. I have faith that it will go and become a lot more popular. At that time, it will be nice to have more niche communities that are active.
Same! Lemmy is one of my favourite places on the internet and it’s comfy to me. I’m also excited to watch it grow and become more popular! 😃
It is nice to not have to doomscroll too much in Lemmy.
Even more, it’s nice that you couldn’t if you tried. this is why i left reddit and came over here. Some good memes, some good posts, some nice comments, then in 15 minutes you are out of stuff and you naturally put your phone down. Perfection
Guess that’s enough internet for me today
Just be aware that there are many haters here too. A few days ago I posted a positive message about the EU and… oh my God… what a wave of negativity and hate I get. It was just like we - in the EU - are now living under the authoritarian regime of the EU. My reaction was… I’m out of here, so I’m not in that community anymore. I hoped that Lemmy was a more “positive” community, but that seems to be a naive world view. There will always be haters and they are everywhere.
The word youre looking for is „russian-american trolls”
The EU is neither a Regime, noir Authoritative. It is our current best way to never repeat the stuff that happened during the cold war in the USA by requiring everything to be open and accessible to the public. The EU is literally what you shape it to be. If you have a problem with what kind of laws the EU is passing, you have a problem with the people voting, not with the system itself.
There is a lot of unelected entities persuading governments. Germany for instance was going green with solar and wind as their central bank shut down pro carbon funding, yet they imported Russian energy as a backstop as they shut down their nuclear reactors.
That kind of unelected Davos influence can cause permanent harm to a country, as their energy prices are 3 times higher than the US now as they burn lignite, leading to deindustrialization as they try to compete with China in EV. They also want to censor climate misinformation, as they attempt to put in censorship laws.
https://climate.ec.europa.eu/eu-action/climate-disinformation_en
They are also rushing in the CBDC for October, when they created laws telling corporations to track their emissions its pretty clear where that’s headed as far as carbon quotas.
Yes, but these are unwanted laws passed by EU. These laws are not integrated into the EU itself. Yes, its a fucking joke that our democracy still does not have a good way of kicking out all the unwanted Nazis, but it dosent mean that the system needs to be destroyed (like the bots are saying). It just means that we need to expand the system more.
I would argue germany is going right because its pretty much 1938 again here. I mean, in the alternate world of the AfD these fuckheads are talking about how they would have won the election if the „Pedophile lobby” hadn’t brainwashed everyone with their Woke mind virus. Like, I might as well just take way too much of my meds again and see what I dream during my trip and these fuckheads would believe it as long as I say Heil Hitler at the end.
They also want to censor climate misinformation
Also yes, they are literally setting themselves up for a fascist takeover with those laws, but I would argue that’s the price you pay when you implement democracy and then try to fight fascism with authoritarism instead of offering quality education.
So since the 4th Reich is already coming, next time we should actually not just quit at killing the Nazis in 1961
I do agree with all of your comment. I am left wondering if this is just the end result of fiat currency debasement, leading to decades of debt accrual, and now higher interest rates due to aging global demographics; a phenomenon most central banks have publications on.
Which is something Ray Dalio talks a lot about, maybe this populism and divide is just a symptom of a larger problem. Germany does do unsustainable immigration to help deal with their aging demographics, which could easily lead to unequal asset price inflation and then nationalism/xenophobia.
Then obviously CBDC and an attempt to perform financial repression, since financializing housing to derive new money supply to grow aggregate demand won’t work any more.
Where did that happen? I couldn’t find the community from your comment history
I think they’re referring to the 8 down votes they got on the post where they told people they need to watch a YouTube video
I disagree, I’d like a greater variety of topics especially on general conversation communities.
If you really want to test out what part of Lemmy you’re actually interested in…
unclick “Show Scores, Show upvotes, Show Downvotes, and Show Upvote %” in your profile settings for a week and report back on what changed for you.
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It’s funny because people who think they’re above the whole bandwagon thing still don’t realize how just seeing the numbers causes a response in them. This site is 1,000x less interesting in a social aspect when you can’t see that engagement, you’ll find yourself logging in less and less till you just don’t see a point in it.
I love this too. I get bored after a while on Lemmy which…is a really good thing. Get some news and memes, and get off.
Them’s some good memes huh
The opportunities for discussions and such is fun, but I miss the memes from Reddit. Lemmy is almost painfully unfunny.
