Will you stop posting shit claiming he was accidentally deported? He was deported intentionally. The government lawyer who argued in court that the government had deported Garcia by mistake has since been fired. Stephen Miller himself said that “There was no mistake”. They are deporting whoever they can get their hands on.
He wasn’t deported, he was kidnapped and sent to a concentration camp.
That’s called a deportation though: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deportations
til deportations aren’t just sending them to a different country, and out-of-the-country camps count as deportating (not sarcasm, I seriouslly didn’t know that)
The Trump administration said in court filings Garcia was accidentally deported.
That accident was because they are deporting whoever they can get their hands on.
Did 2 judges deem him to be MS13? Because if they did I’m getting Rittenhouse vibes over this. Dems jumping up and down/flooding the internet by calling him (Rittenhouse) a murderer. The law is clear, as dumb and idiotic as Rittenhouse was, someone pointed a gun at someone who was also armed. He defended himself. But Dems were in so deep they were acting like brainwashed Republicans. This may end up similar. Dems are in too deep, soaking up post after post telling them he was never part of MS13 and are too arrogant to admit they were wrong.
Do you want to see the court transcripts showing that he was never in the state that the person accusing him of being a gang member said he was in? Or the court ruling that said he wasn’t a gang member?
When you read the 5th amendment do you skip the “No person” section?
I’m not disagreeing or agreeing I’m just pointing out the issues with each narrative and don’t want to be sucked into another embarrassing false narrative by the Dems. One side is saying he was MS13 and a duel citizen and the other is suggesting he was not MS13. If he was not in the state, that doesn’t disprove he was MS13, which as far as I can tell is what this is all hinging on. Legally speaking though it is on the judge to show sufficient evidence for their ruling. If they couldn’t get the state he was in right that does call into question the rest of his judgement about him being MS13.
INAL but no person would apply only to US citizens? Kilmar being a duel citizen is where it gets grey?
Can you show one source claiming they were a dual citizen? You are literally the first person I’ve seen make that claim.
You fundamentally misunderstand the state-gang claim. One person said he was in the gang when they were in the other state. Except they have never been to that state. That’s one of the reasons a judge found the claim they were in the gang by be completely baseless. A judge. The judge that reviewed all the evidence.
Nine Supreme Court justices, the president, and the lawyers representing the president all agreed that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was here legally and was illegally deported without due process. Yet people who can barely pass a Turing test know more than these experts and came to a different conclusion.
No person means no person. Citizen or otherwise. The Constitution doesn’t grant rights. It assumes they are inalienable to all people and established rules telling the government they couldn’t take them away. This is constitutional law 101. Everyone gets due process. Citizen or otherwise. Because the alternative was the road to tyranny.
I hope all those „be careful around windows in russia” jokes made you laugh because this is your reality now.
Bold of you to think I live in the USA. I’ll keep making Russian window jokes, but now I need a good USA one too, hmmm…
I propose: Don’t leave your fridge open in the US.
Has been for a few decades at least, but now the targeting is more random.
The real differences are that the scope is massively expanded and they’ve stopped trying to hide it. Now they’re just doing it out in the open.
The lights are on 24/7 there. Bright florescent lights. I imagine at Dachau you might be able to escape in sleep occasionally.
Wait, the top one isnt a photo from ww2?..
Umm, thanks for these images, it really puts it in perspective. I knew that they were fascists and have shown it many times, but here it looks so clear
Slave labor?
They are kept in pens for 23.5 hours a day. I don’t think they’re getting any labor out of them. It’s a death camp.
He’s most likely dead. That’s the reason why they can’t get him back.
Edit: furthermore even if Chunky Cheeto said on TV that he knows the guy is dead because he killed him himself then absolutely nothing would be done about it.
USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.
Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction. Yeah, every single one of those guys works for the dictator so forgive me if I don’t go John Fucking Rambo on the White House with a repeater I bought at Walmart.
We’re showing up to protests by the millions, we’re using our voices, we’re pressuring elected leaders to stand up and fight back, we’re fucking trying to stop this shit, so honestly fuck off with this sort of reductive armchair general critiquing.
Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction.
This guy went against a column of tanks with two bags of groceries.
Americans can’t get organised to march with their guns to see how far the military will defend the dictatorship, when you make it hard for them.
So for years we’ve been right about the 2A, completely useless and only there to feed the military-industrial machine, weak egos and gang violence.
He also got disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again. Not exactly the example I’d use.
The question is what is the right thing to do, no matter the personal cost.
By pointing out American hypocrisy through a reductionist view of gun politics in the U.S.?
If you can’t figure out by now that the majority of blue voters are not the ones who were arming themselves… or that they were the ones voting for gun control… what are you trying to say, again?
what are you trying to say, again?
Oh, it’s quite simple, really:
Thank you for your meaningful contribution.
Yeah and he died. Get off your fucking high horse and stop pressuring people to commit suicide in the name of what you think is right.
Oh no, is standing up to dictators and fascism dangerous?
Well better just lick boots then, huh?
It’s not like fascism ever endangered any lives, right? It’s not like we had this exact conversation about “resistance not being the answer, we can’t be expected to put ourself in danger” 100 years ago.
And back then we let the fascist fucksticks get all the way to engineered killing camps. Are we gonna let them get that far — again?
And if you’re gonna say something about me being a keyboard warrior, I’m ready and trained and in the Finnish reserves. I don’t like the idea of having to engage in combat, but I’ll do what is necessary if it comes to that.
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Sit there and wait for them to kill you instead. Guns are your only hope. Until you wake up and realize it you’ll watch your countrymen be killed en masse. Possibly your own family and friends. Just because it’s not you right now doesn’t mean it’s not going to be.
Immigration is your only choice
Millions of us are protesting and direct action groups are gaining more support and being more active. We’re slow to the draw yes, and this type of movement should have happened much earlier, but it’s inaccurate to say none of us are doing anything
Edit to add: https://lemmy.world/post/28297299
i think the point hes getting at mainly is that none of the protesting groups are taking up firearms and removing the potus by force along with his cronies. you are not militant enough compared to what is written in your constitution for this exact scenerio.
protesting where the police allow you to is “controlled opposition” and its part of the allowed illusion of potential change. its what allows viewers at home who may agree with the movement, to feel hopeful, and like they dont have to do anything because someone else is already doing something. resolving things democratically will only take you so far with a head of state and entrenched system of control that not only doesnt follow the rules of democracy, but is actively trying to dismantle it.
protest as much as you wish, but if theres no bite after your bark, it rings hollow.
source? occupy wallstreet. where they poured champaign on protestors from high rises and skyscrapers, laughing, and taking pictures as they continued to rob everyone below. nothing changed. not really. if anything it got worse.
Every protest is a sea of organization. Thousands and thousands of people convening in a public space for a cause compels people to think about those next steps. It’s a process of breaking inertia. But yes, these always require a politival mechanism: support for a bill, a race, a party, etc or they will get co-opted by the ruling class.
That’s what happened with Occupy Wall Street, yes, though it still resulted in a major wave of political organization. The movement being ignored resulted in a major wave of disenfranchised people who turned to fascism thinking it would be a viable alternative. But at the same time it helped prime people to actually give Bernie a chance in 2016.
Taking up arms at this point would be absurdly foolish. They’d just deploy actual militant forces to stop you and you’d essentially kill any progressive movement for a couple decades, because they’d be associated with violence and extremism
I don’t think that’s how that works. Historically, peace rarely gets results. Do you think the end of the holocaust came about through peaceful protest? French or American revolution? The hands off protest was marked 3rd largest in US history by Wikipedia and nothing has changed. Black lives matter protests were arguably ineffective considering we elected Trump again. We see time and time again that armed conservatives and police forces freely obtain what they want so much to the point that their most desperate members felt comfortable enough to storm the Capitol and they got pardoned. I think the mindset to advocate for peace isn’t one that aligns with results. We see the results. I don’t like violence, but I know they’d love to inflict violence against me.
I view both peaceful and violent protest to be tools meant to work together. The hammer of violence and the anvil of peace, shaping the politics of yore into something more useful.
Problem is, the media and education in America has solely emphasized peaceful movements, while ignoring or downplaying the value of violence. This is a deliberate effort made by evil oligarchs and naive peaceniks, whose reasons happen to align with the result.
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I keep telling everyone. Get armed and get trained. Because the war for this nation is coming.
It’s here already just loads of you can’t see it.
Well, the problem.on the guns side is that the Democrats spent decades villifying gun ownership, so 90% of the guns are owned by supporters of the fascist fuck.
It depends where you live honestly. I grew up in NJ in a very blue suburb and every male child on the block was out of school during the first week of deer season. Now that I’m older every leftist I know is strapped.
I have like 50 guns. I tell people that I’m so far left that I’ve circled back around on guns.
But the reality is I’m mostly just a gun nerd who also used to be a gun salesman and got a ton of freebies from the manufacturer.
I like how this still implies that it’s only wrong because he had a legal situation.
After all illegal immigrants are not really human, right?
Welcome to America; the first successful Nazi regime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States
I thought it implied that Garcia couldn’t be returned because they died.
Update, turns out they are still alive.
That’s not what their phrasing insinuates and I can see your cloaca from all the contortions you had to do to arrive at that conclusion.
The term is illegal ALIENS. Makes it extra racist.
The word comes from the Latin alius meaning other
Apologetic much? Dehuminization is dehuminization in my books.
Lol, I made no judgement about the use of the word, merely giving the etymology. I’m sorry you misinterpreted me as defending xenophobia.
From the Greek xeno meaning strange.
Maybe read the room a little before posting. My sarcasm, in this case, is very warranted, but you “correcting” me with an etymology lesson really makes you look apologetic. Why would you post something so irrelevant to the conversation?
what do you mean 'no reason in particular…"?
the reason is that he is not white enough, how is this a mystery to anyone???
The post implies that they aren’t being returned because they are dead.
Ooof, wow I totally missed that…
If he’s not dead, they will make sure he is before any press or diplomats can find him. They don’t want anyone speaking out or reporting what’s happening. They just want all the “ethnic people” to quietly disappear.
We allowed the smallest, stupidest segment of the country to have absolute power to literally start ethnic cleansing on US soil, and our “opposition party” is frowning deeply and saying “This is inappropriate!”
We’re done. There’s no fixing this. We will need a complete government overhaul and it will take decades, assuming we survive and our country doesn’t just become another ruined dictatorship, hollowed out and left to rot.
Apparently the dictator is incapable of dictating.
There is very much a reason.
So there’s only two reasons they didn’t just get this guy back one he’s dead or two they are doing it to prove they have total power
prove?
is there any mechanisms at all, in the US, to stop and/or remove Trump?
he was already impeached in his last term and nothing happened
We have moved from being ruled by the laws of the government
To the whims of the government
Laws now are just … Suggestions.
We very certainly have moved to a new era of disregard for the law, but in service of understanding how we got here and where the system built power in hopes of breaking it, laws have always been suggestions. The 13th goes into this well, at every step when given leniency the judicial system has been abused to enact more violence and control over people of color. The enforcers are held to minimal standards, and seldom held accountable when they somehow fail to clear the bar in hell.
We need to be honest with ourselves about what this country was and how long it’s been unjust.
“”“”“Accidentally”“”“”
Remember when the state cared?
Last year or so a provenly innocent man was executed in the United States for a murder even the lead prosecutor on the case thought he was innocent and worked to get his own conviction overturned.
Always been like this.
Where do you think Copmala earned that name?
She made a carreer of denying proven innocents a retrial since it would bring down her conviction rate.
Or
More than 100 immigrant youth in San Francisco were detained or deported because of a 2008 city policy implemented by former mayor and now-Gov. Gavin Newsom and supported by Kamala Harris
https://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-ca-harris-police-shootings-20160118-story.html
Among other despicable thingsI am aware. Obama was called the deporter in chief at one point. The main thing is that it was also democrats trying to prove that they were ‘tough’ to conservatives in the same way Bill Clinton tried to do that in the 90s.
It never worked. They will always be seen as the party of pansies. Netenyahu and fascists in general love Trump far more because even though the democrats kiss Israeli and corporate ass as much as Republicans, the republican rhetoric is much stronger.
You’re right, all those holy libs complaining about it are just hypocrites.
They get real mad when you call them out on it.
When it’s just the poor and minorities they don’t actually care about they can look away and enjoy their great democracy, but when they get a taste it’s fascism.
