Okay after skimming through looks not so good even if the overall message is better than most politicians
In recent years, the rapidly growing Chinese economy has eclipsed the US as the world’s major carbon emitter. Right now, China is building six times as many coal-fired power plants as the rest of the world combined – the equivalent of two new coal plants every week. Last year, they quadrupled the number of new coal plants approved compared with 2021. Current plans will see China add as much new coal to its grid as used in all of India, the second largest coal user, and five times more coal capacity as the US.
It is no great secret the Chinese government is undertaking many policies that we and the international community should oppose. They are cruelly repressing and interning the Uyghurs, threatening Taiwan and stifling freedom of expression in Tibet and Hong Kong. China has bullied its neighbors, abused the global trading system, stolen technology and is building out a dystopian surveillance state.
“Only the white man possesses the creativity lobe, all other races can only produce lesser imitations of his works.” - a thing liberals actually believe but they’re totally not racist because they like Hamilton
“The Russians never invent anything. All they have, they’ve got from others. Everything comes to them from abroad—the engineers, the machine-tools. Give them the most highly perfected bombing-sights. They’re capable of copying them, but not of inventing them. With them, working-technique is simplified to the uttermost. Their rudimentary labour-force compels them to split up the work into a series of gestures that are easy to perform and, of course, require no effort of thought.” - Adolf Hitler
The “stolen IP” story is fun because it represents an unstated assumption that only the West has good ideas.
When their years of long-term thinking and investment in R&D pay off, will the people kvetching today be willing to license Chinese designs?
I note that the new high speed rail project being promoted in Texas is based on old shinkansen designs from Japan; I wonder if it was just too much lost face to consider a CRH derived design?
noooooooooooooo! you’re solving the climate crisis but you stole our trademarked things to do it!!! you motherfuckers better put that carbon back in the air and do it the RIGHT way!
How has he forgotten great Randian hero Elmo who keeps trying to steal WeChat and somehow instead blasts pollution all over the American southwest and gets 9000 FAA violations
China “stealing” tech is good, but most of the time this complaint isn’t even referring to IP infringement or anything clandestine. It’s just the tecg transfer agreements that companies happily sign in order to move production to China.
People also forget that the Snowden leaks revealed the NSA was conducting industrial espionage against companies in Europe and China that compete against US companies.
I believe the suggestion is that they then reverse-engineered them and used what they learned in violation of IP law. I don’t follow this, so I don’t know if it’s true, and I would support China doing this because fuck those companies and the US, but I believe that’s the accusation.
Yea I mean I know China has reverse engineered a lot of Soviet and Russian weapons exports but I don’t think chips and semiconductors is the same since the difficulty is in manufacturing and not what’s in it
Companies generally have to transfer IP to even operate in China which is why the stealing IP generally doesn’t even have to happen
China is still using deep ultraviolet (DUV) chip etching which has a resolution of 193 nanometres, whereas the latest technology is extreme ultraviolet (EUV) which has a resolution of 13.5 nanometres. In practice it means they’re about four years behind the other chip manufacturers.
An EUV machine costs about $200 million and that’s the one banned for export to China.
Shipping the machine requires 40 shipping containers, 20 trucks and three Boeing 747s.
Having the schematics isn’t really enough - you also need the production lines and extreme tolerances to reliably build the machines.
Some chips are also export banned so Chinese firms have just been buying cloud time on the chips instead.
Longer term it is expected that China will develop a fully self sufficient semiconductor industry.
First you need the lithography machines (ASML). Then you need the process development (TSMC, Samsung, Intel). Then you need the EDA tools (Synopsys, Cadence).
SMEE announced a 28nm-capable lithography machine, SMIC has a gimped 7nm process, and Huawei has EDA tools capable down to 14nm.
However, necessity is the mother of invention. I’m expecting the next few years to see an explosion in specialized hardware coming out of Chinese companies.
Nothing wrong with stealing technology unless you want to carry water for corporations and their billionaire executives. Regardless of that most of the technological progress in China comes from technology transfer agreements that they made with Western corporations for doing the manufacturing for them which is then layered on top with indigenous innovations.
Actually the largest technology transfer in history came from the Soviet technology transfer to China from 1949 to 1966 (until the Sino-Soviet split). The Soviets practically established modern scientific institutions and kickstarted the industrialization process in China.
The irony is that the rapid industrialization of Communist China was what made it so attractive to Western capital in the 1970s in the first place, which was used in turn to help destroy the Soviet Union.
stifling freedom of expression in Tibet, . . . abused the global trading system,
God damn what a fucking piece of shit he is. Not just the obligatory hits but really just slinging whatever he can fit in a sentence, plus going to bat for bad-faith accusations from protectionists.
In the sphere of world trade, Sanders masks a strident chauvinism with “human rights” rhetoric, particularly with respect to China. In 1992 he co-sponsored a bill, first proposed by Nancy Pelosi, and later vetoed by George H.W. Bush, attempting to restrict the trade status of China due to its human rights record. As always, the supreme “human right” was the right of American corporations to scour the globe in source of profit; one of the benchmarks that China would have been required to meet was to provide “United States exporters fair access to Chinese markets, including lowering tariffs, removing nontariff barriers, and increasing the purchase of United States goods and services.”
Sanders’ stance on immigration is entirely in line with right-wing efforts to scapegoat millions of impoverished and exploited Hispanic workers for the falling living standards of American working class. He has repeatedly introduced bills in Congress calling for the suspension of the federal visa program under the guise of protecting American jobs. For his efforts, he has earned the admiration of noted anti-immigrant racist and talk show host Lou Dobbs, who called him “one of the few straight talkers in Congress.”
While this is true, it’s worth noting that around 30% of China’s power generation is renewables as of 2021 (which I don’t think includes nuclear), a number that has been steadily trending up (eg 26% in 2019), and that it is responsible for 45% of global investments in renewables. Compare that to the US which only produces 21% of its electricity from renewables as of 2021, and is the richest country on earth.
Okay after skimming through looks not so good even if the overall message is better than most politicians
Just awful
stolen technology lmao
“Only the white man possesses the creativity lobe, all other races can only produce lesser imitations of his works.” - a thing liberals actually believe but they’re totally not racist because they like Hamilton
dont make me tap the sign
“The Russians never invent anything. All they have, they’ve got from others. Everything comes to them from abroad—the engineers, the machine-tools. Give them the most highly perfected bombing-sights. They’re capable of copying them, but not of inventing them. With them, working-technique is simplified to the uttermost. Their rudimentary labour-force compels them to split up the work into a series of gestures that are easy to perform and, of course, require no effort of thought.” - Adolf Hitler
Weird how liberal thought keeps echoing Hitler. Ah well, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence
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The “stolen IP” story is fun because it represents an unstated assumption that only the West has good ideas.
When their years of long-term thinking and investment in R&D pay off, will the people kvetching today be willing to license Chinese designs?
I note that the new high speed rail project being promoted in Texas is based on old shinkansen designs from Japan; I wonder if it was just too much lost face to consider a CRH derived design?
It’s also fun because if it was true, it would be proof that the copyright and patent system is stifling for development, competition and innovation
who cares about stolen tech, even if they did that would be better for carbon emissions
noooooooooooooo! you’re solving the climate crisis but you stole our trademarked things to do it!!! you motherfuckers better put that carbon back in the air and do it the RIGHT way!
Love being a “life-long socialist” who values IP laws over human progress
How has he forgotten great Randian hero Elmo who keeps trying to steal WeChat and somehow instead blasts pollution all over the American southwest and gets 9000 FAA violations
China “stealing” tech is good, but most of the time this complaint isn’t even referring to IP infringement or anything clandestine. It’s just the tecg transfer agreements that companies happily sign in order to move production to China.
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I have not seen a single credible source that China stole technology for microchips
If you’re talking about that singular dude who stole from ASML then that’s just a dude
A dude that rocks, might I add
People also forget that the Snowden leaks revealed the NSA was conducting industrial espionage against companies in Europe and China that compete against US companies.
China accused them of the same thing recently: https://hexbear.net/comment/3707564
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Anybody can buy chips from NVIDIA and AMD, I’m not sure I follow
I believe the suggestion is that they then reverse-engineered them and used what they learned in violation of IP law. I don’t follow this, so I don’t know if it’s true, and I would support China doing this because fuck those companies and the US, but I believe that’s the accusation.
Yea I mean I know China has reverse engineered a lot of Soviet and Russian weapons exports but I don’t think chips and semiconductors is the same since the difficulty is in manufacturing and not what’s in it
Companies generally have to transfer IP to even operate in China which is why the stealing IP generally doesn’t even have to happen
Thanks, this finally makes me gets what they’re actually saying with that stupid “China is stealing IP” mouth fart.
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China is still using deep ultraviolet (DUV) chip etching which has a resolution of 193 nanometres, whereas the latest technology is extreme ultraviolet (EUV) which has a resolution of 13.5 nanometres. In practice it means they’re about four years behind the other chip manufacturers.
An EUV machine costs about $200 million and that’s the one banned for export to China.
Having the schematics isn’t really enough - you also need the production lines and extreme tolerances to reliably build the machines.
Some chips are also export banned so Chinese firms have just been buying cloud time on the chips instead.
Longer term it is expected that China will develop a fully self sufficient semiconductor industry.
Semiconductors are hard.
First you need the lithography machines (ASML). Then you need the process development (TSMC, Samsung, Intel). Then you need the EDA tools (Synopsys, Cadence).
SMEE announced a 28nm-capable lithography machine, SMIC has a gimped 7nm process, and Huawei has EDA tools capable down to 14nm.
However, necessity is the mother of invention. I’m expecting the next few years to see an explosion in specialized hardware coming out of Chinese companies.
Nothing wrong with stealing technology unless you want to carry water for corporations and their billionaire executives. Regardless of that most of the technological progress in China comes from technology transfer agreements that they made with Western corporations for doing the manufacturing for them which is then layered on top with indigenous innovations.
Actually the largest technology transfer in history came from the Soviet technology transfer to China from 1949 to 1966 (until the Sino-Soviet split). The Soviets practically established modern scientific institutions and kickstarted the industrialization process in China.
The irony is that the rapid industrialization of Communist China was what made it so attractive to Western capital in the 1970s in the first place, which was used in turn to help destroy the Soviet Union.
God damn what a fucking piece of shit he is. Not just the obligatory hits but really just slinging whatever he can fit in a sentence, plus going to bat for bad-faith accusations from protectionists.
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I cannot believe that Britain is accusing China of abusing the global trading system
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It’s almost as if he’s a USAmerican politician
A dystopian surveillance state… You mean like the US and UK?
Here I was thinking a dystopian surveillance state was a requirement for modernization. My bad.
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Ok barnie sandler time to get in the can
shibbolibs
I mean, the coal thing is concerning. We really shouldn’t, as a species, be building any coal plants.
While this is true, it’s worth noting that around 30% of China’s power generation is renewables as of 2021 (which I don’t think includes nuclear), a number that has been steadily trending up (eg 26% in 2019), and that it is responsible for 45% of global investments in renewables. Compare that to the US which only produces 21% of its electricity from renewables as of 2021, and is the richest country on earth.
That’s great and I hope they shut down their coal plants as fast as possible
It’s nothing new
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/15/sand-m15.html
Wait but is china really building 2 coal plants per week on average tho? D:
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