I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.
Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.
Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn’t universal
The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves
No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.
Thank you for repeatedly proving how effective propaganda is by repeating the normalization phrases over and over again, while also denying that it exists
You are the perfect patsy and I’m sure you are supremely convinced this is all of your own intention.
I’m not pigeonholing you, I’m responding in context to what I said earlier.
A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn’t changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.
If you don’t change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren’t working.
Yeah you don’t change a culture by wishing about it and this just isn’t the decade for the world to care about mens’ needs, and no one is interested in portraying men in nurturing roles outside of women geared media. On the other hand assholes like tate and rogan are gaining record breaking audiences of angry disaffected men tired of being marginalized while being told they aren’t being marginalized.
I’m pretty sure the competing ideologies of fascism and 3rd wave feminism are going to ratchet up the gender war for the forseeable future and anyone in the middle is going to get stomped by both sides.
It’s complicated and whenever I post the reasons I get harassed for weeks, including mods and admins, but here goes:
We are in the middle of a men’s mental health crisis, it has been going on for more than twenty years now. The causes are multiple, economic uncertainty, lack of positive male role models, social media bringing lifestyle envy, governments and services constantly favoring women over men for funds and support despite those needs already being abundantly covered already, lack of social mobility, depression about the lack of future prospects
And add on top of this EVERY FUCKING TIME men call out for help in need, the entire world comes down on them and tells them ‘solve you’re own problems, you made patriarchy, you fix it yourself’ all the while women get RIDICULOUS amount of social support from homeless shelters, food pantries (the rules for mothers and fathers are usually different as they assume people claiming to be fathers are liars and need to prove, but women never lie and get all the support they ask for no questions)
Society has been geared to devalue men, and when men complain about it we are told ‘It’s your fault, fix it yourself’
It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time
It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time
You get downvoted because your conclusion is “let’s blame it on women!”
If that’s what you took away then it’s true what they say that media literacy is dead.
Gamergate was the genesis of our current wave of violent incels, which was a reaction to some pretty fucking heavy handed takeover of traditionally male spaces with no attempt at coexistence by 3rd wave feminists feeling their oats
And they literally gave platform for Bannon’s goons to meme us into fascism. Tate, Rogan, both of those assholes and dozens more cater to the audience that gamergate gathered.
All of you dismiss it as just boys being angry on the internet till you remember just how many fucking right wing mass murders have happened in the last 10 years. That level of dismissal is EXACTLY why some boys are now believing rape is fine and justified. I want you to consider that level of degeneracy and the environment needed for it to fester.
For decades men have been told that all their problems are their own creation, and that they should go about solving it themselves. This puts progressive men in the shitiest place possible because they are the ones with the least power in today’s society. They sure as fuck aren’t getting support from non-progressives, AND getting mocked in their own spaces. And don’t you fucking say it’s just reddit there’s tons of examples every day on lemmy
YES the ridiculous and deliberately antagonistic antics of 3rd wave feminism from 2007-2012 DEFINITELY gave the alt-right a platform by dignifying their movement and giving them tons of press and legitimacy instead of having the fucks arrested like they should have been in the first place .BUUUUUT NOOOO every motherfucking ‘feminist’ vlogger had to absolutely INUNDATE youtube with how terrible it was that boy liked boobs in games and how they should feel bad about it and maybe we should start charging people with felonies for killing video game characters (YES THESE WERE ALL TOPICS LEGITIMATELY DISCUST IN THE TUBESPHERE) and of course that caused a lot of puberty driven little bois to SUDDENLY RALLY behind this movement to stop removing boobies from games
And then at the same time the Georgia fucking radfemme commitee decided to put forward a bill making masturbation legally equivalent to a back alley abortion and everybody talked about it like it was some gocha for 3 fucking years till COVID shut everybody the fuck up
Yes I’m blaming 3rd wave feminists, but NOT exclusively. I also blame pubescent teen boys and their inattentive parents, I blame right wing propaganda shops for meming Bannon into relevancy, I blame billionaires for stealing everyone’s financial well-being, and I SURE AS FUCK blame ignorant idealists like you and nearly everyone else on lemmy for mistaking the caricature of the right wing gamer boy in your head for the real thing
Things are going to get a fucktonne worse than they are now, they barely even ramped up industrial murder yet but they will, and sooner than anyone guesses. And people like you are a part of the problem, and your deliberate ignorance of that doesn’t make your hands any less bloody
Dude you need to chill out, make friends with some women, and touch grass in the real world. You’re a left-wing incel basically, from what you’ve written, you just don’t realize it. Just unplug from the internet for a while and chill out. Whatever happens on the internet is usually not reflective of the real world, just keep that in mind.
I noticed it too. My friend in India reports the same polarization issues we have in the US. Society is digressing. Why?
I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.
And I think you have been overwhelmed by propaganda into thinking 2 incomes per household is normal
Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.
I block all liars, reconsider your life choices
In a lot of areas, two incomes per household is the only thing that keeps it a household. There is no need for propaganda.
Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn’t universal
The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves
No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.
Either dual income, or one person of the household better be making a mid-to-high six figure income.
Thank you for repeatedly proving how effective propaganda is by repeating the normalization phrases over and over again, while also denying that it exists
You are the perfect patsy and I’m sure you are supremely convinced this is all of your own intention.
But if it were to go back to one income households, would only men have jobs?
I never said it needs to be gender linked but there needs to be at least one parent at home at all times
If that means 2 incomes with both parents working half time for the same pay, then so be it.
Don’t really appreciate you trying to pigeonhole me tho, but it’s all I’ve come to expect from lemmy
I’m not pigeonholing you, I’m responding in context to what I said earlier.
A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn’t changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.
If you don’t change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren’t working.
Yeah you don’t change a culture by wishing about it and this just isn’t the decade for the world to care about mens’ needs, and no one is interested in portraying men in nurturing roles outside of women geared media. On the other hand assholes like tate and rogan are gaining record breaking audiences of angry disaffected men tired of being marginalized while being told they aren’t being marginalized.
I’m pretty sure the competing ideologies of fascism and 3rd wave feminism are going to ratchet up the gender war for the forseeable future and anyone in the middle is going to get stomped by both sides.
It’s complicated and whenever I post the reasons I get harassed for weeks, including mods and admins, but here goes:
We are in the middle of a men’s mental health crisis, it has been going on for more than twenty years now. The causes are multiple, economic uncertainty, lack of positive male role models, social media bringing lifestyle envy, governments and services constantly favoring women over men for funds and support despite those needs already being abundantly covered already, lack of social mobility, depression about the lack of future prospects
And add on top of this EVERY FUCKING TIME men call out for help in need, the entire world comes down on them and tells them ‘solve you’re own problems, you made patriarchy, you fix it yourself’ all the while women get RIDICULOUS amount of social support from homeless shelters, food pantries (the rules for mothers and fathers are usually different as they assume people claiming to be fathers are liars and need to prove, but women never lie and get all the support they ask for no questions)
Society has been geared to devalue men, and when men complain about it we are told ‘It’s your fault, fix it yourself’
It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time
You get downvoted because your conclusion is “let’s blame it on women!”
Yeah, men face issues, but they’re all kind of byproducts of patriarchy. And a greater rate of poverty isn’t one, as far as I know.
We seem to have summoned an incel.
If that’s what you took away then it’s true what they say that media literacy is dead.
Gamergate was the genesis of our current wave of violent incels, which was a reaction to some pretty fucking heavy handed takeover of traditionally male spaces with no attempt at coexistence by 3rd wave feminists feeling their oats
And they literally gave platform for Bannon’s goons to meme us into fascism. Tate, Rogan, both of those assholes and dozens more cater to the audience that gamergate gathered.
All of you dismiss it as just boys being angry on the internet till you remember just how many fucking right wing mass murders have happened in the last 10 years. That level of dismissal is EXACTLY why some boys are now believing rape is fine and justified. I want you to consider that level of degeneracy and the environment needed for it to fester.
For decades men have been told that all their problems are their own creation, and that they should go about solving it themselves. This puts progressive men in the shitiest place possible because they are the ones with the least power in today’s society. They sure as fuck aren’t getting support from non-progressives, AND getting mocked in their own spaces. And don’t you fucking say it’s just reddit there’s tons of examples every day on lemmy
YES the ridiculous and deliberately antagonistic antics of 3rd wave feminism from 2007-2012 DEFINITELY gave the alt-right a platform by dignifying their movement and giving them tons of press and legitimacy instead of having the fucks arrested like they should have been in the first place .BUUUUUT NOOOO every motherfucking ‘feminist’ vlogger had to absolutely INUNDATE youtube with how terrible it was that boy liked boobs in games and how they should feel bad about it and maybe we should start charging people with felonies for killing video game characters (YES THESE WERE ALL TOPICS LEGITIMATELY DISCUST IN THE TUBESPHERE) and of course that caused a lot of puberty driven little bois to SUDDENLY RALLY behind this movement to stop removing boobies from games
And then at the same time the Georgia fucking radfemme commitee decided to put forward a bill making masturbation legally equivalent to a back alley abortion and everybody talked about it like it was some gocha for 3 fucking years till COVID shut everybody the fuck up
Yes I’m blaming 3rd wave feminists, but NOT exclusively. I also blame pubescent teen boys and their inattentive parents, I blame right wing propaganda shops for meming Bannon into relevancy, I blame billionaires for stealing everyone’s financial well-being, and I SURE AS FUCK blame ignorant idealists like you and nearly everyone else on lemmy for mistaking the caricature of the right wing gamer boy in your head for the real thing
Things are going to get a fucktonne worse than they are now, they barely even ramped up industrial murder yet but they will, and sooner than anyone guesses. And people like you are a part of the problem, and your deliberate ignorance of that doesn’t make your hands any less bloody
Dude you need to chill out, make friends with some women, and touch grass in the real world. You’re a left-wing incel basically, from what you’ve written, you just don’t realize it. Just unplug from the internet for a while and chill out. Whatever happens on the internet is usually not reflective of the real world, just keep that in mind.
Son I’ve been married for 30 years and my kids are already out of college.