I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.
Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.
Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn’t universal
The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves
No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.
Thank you for repeatedly proving how effective propaganda is by repeating the normalization phrases over and over again, while also denying that it exists
You are the perfect patsy and I’m sure you are supremely convinced this is all of your own intention.
I’m not pigeonholing you, I’m responding in context to what I said earlier.
A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn’t changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.
If you don’t change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren’t working.
Yeah you don’t change a culture by wishing about it and this just isn’t the decade for the world to care about mens’ needs, and no one is interested in portraying men in nurturing roles outside of women geared media. On the other hand assholes like tate and rogan are gaining record breaking audiences of angry disaffected men tired of being marginalized while being told they aren’t being marginalized.
I’m pretty sure the competing ideologies of fascism and 3rd wave feminism are going to ratchet up the gender war for the forseeable future and anyone in the middle is going to get stomped by both sides.
I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.
And I think you have been overwhelmed by propaganda into thinking 2 incomes per household is normal
Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.
I block all liars, reconsider your life choices
In a lot of areas, two incomes per household is the only thing that keeps it a household. There is no need for propaganda.
Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn’t universal
The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves
No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.
Either dual income, or one person of the household better be making a mid-to-high six figure income.
Thank you for repeatedly proving how effective propaganda is by repeating the normalization phrases over and over again, while also denying that it exists
You are the perfect patsy and I’m sure you are supremely convinced this is all of your own intention.
But if it were to go back to one income households, would only men have jobs?
I never said it needs to be gender linked but there needs to be at least one parent at home at all times
If that means 2 incomes with both parents working half time for the same pay, then so be it.
Don’t really appreciate you trying to pigeonhole me tho, but it’s all I’ve come to expect from lemmy
I’m not pigeonholing you, I’m responding in context to what I said earlier.
A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn’t changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.
If you don’t change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren’t working.
Yeah you don’t change a culture by wishing about it and this just isn’t the decade for the world to care about mens’ needs, and no one is interested in portraying men in nurturing roles outside of women geared media. On the other hand assholes like tate and rogan are gaining record breaking audiences of angry disaffected men tired of being marginalized while being told they aren’t being marginalized.
I’m pretty sure the competing ideologies of fascism and 3rd wave feminism are going to ratchet up the gender war for the forseeable future and anyone in the middle is going to get stomped by both sides.