It’s not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
It’s not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
Ok, that makes more sense.
It’s up to you. I think it would be good to have another !yptb community that’s not satire or a one person creation.
You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.
I actually lean more towards the side of “let the people talk.” Some direct personal insults I feel like are maybe worth keeping away (I read this comment and was going to voice my agreement but then when I got to the “moron” part that instantly made me conclude, welp buddy, that’s not productive). Mostly though I think the main asset of an alternative mod feedback community is that the dbzer0 admins are fine doing deletions and bans from YPTB for various reasons including “trying to stir up instance drama over our genAI policies, which are not up for debate.” UP-FOR-DEBATING THE POLICIES IS LITERALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY. But, as soon as someone comes into it and disagrees with the dbzer0 admins on some issue, they often decide it is some particular category of not allowed debate, and ban the person.
There are some other examples on that page that to me are equally stupid, but that one takes the cake to me. If I were to make a competing YPTB community, I think that’s the most important rule I would change, personal attacks being allowed or not is a lot less crucial than that to me.
This is a direct consequence of having that community part of dbzer0.
A community is still subject to the rules of the instance hosting it.
A potential alternative would be to have the alternative community on an instance with a very few rules, but there’s none that I know of at the moment.
Israel, drag, AI, every topic would still come up in the comments of a new community, and the mods of that new community would probably have to take a stance on those, or just see endless slapfights in the comments
An instance whose rules include “the rules are not up for debate” has no business hosting a community for critique of moderation. I would actually expand that to say that it’s pretty silly to have that rule in the first place, regardless of what communities you’re hosting, but it does seem to be a pretty popular viewpoint here for some reason. I’m legitimately surprised to hear it from an instance that’s described as anarchist. The .ml instances are at least more open with their political alignments and then consistent with them in their moderation in practice.
Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds, I guess, lol
I understand why an instance staff wouldn’t want to have posts questioning instance guidelines every week.
Interestingly enough, in the case of anti AI bans, that topic was discussed on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49185248?scrollToComments=true , and it seems like both the mod and the person iniating the request found a way
So no, it’s not really “Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds”
Phillip hates that db0 isn’t a carbon copy of his failed instance, therefore we’re somehow not anarchists for not tolerating the intolerant.
We’re just not going to see eye to eye on this stuff lol
Probably x)
Edit: just because you care about trans people
Literally this entire instance. Don’t get me wrong there are worse places out there but its basically Lord of the Flies up in this place. I am very sure nobody in charge is over the age of 21.
I am actually not like you and I left this instance months ago because I wanted more moderation but it’s clear these “anarchists” are ok with harassment and sexism as long as it is targeted towards who they perceive to be enemies. They have zero consistency in applying their “rules” and they hide behind “anarchism” to justify the same childish behavior they criticize other instances of doing.
Where’s the receipts?
Maybe after they come back on for the first time after 10 months they’ll have them, because clearly they don’t have them now.
Yeah. 100%. Well… there are plenty of 18-year-olds running around the world whose chronological age is a lot older. But yes. It actually mostly doesn’t read to me as malicious from this instance, it just feels like people who have never experienced being in a collaborative circumstance where they have to get along with people who they don’t see eye to eye with or have real friction with and they have to cope with it. Or they have never been in some kind of environment where one person is “in charge” but also has to earn respect of people. Like their whole concept is “I’ve got the mod buttons, you do not, so shut the fuck up, this is what’s what” and they’ve never experienced the aftermath when you do that to people who have ability to push back in turn.
I mean at the end of the day it’s just a stupid web site, but yes in my opinion being able to have these communication tools and have them function well is important. Maybe I’m the weird one. I do think it matters.
Also absolutely. 100%. Them laughing at SoftestSapphic when she’s trying to give some pretty pointed feedback on treatment of trans issues, and then banning her for being “pissy” / “shitty” because of it, really rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like that at all. And then yes the hypocrisy of doing that while flopping around like a soccer player moaning about “abuse” because people gave downvotes to some of their precious content, is just extra icing on the bratty-adolescent cake.
I stand by my mod actions on SoftestSapphic. Folks can make their own assessment without having to suffer through your opinion.
“And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion?”
-db0
(Emphasis mine)
(IDK why I’m continuing at this point, I’ll probably stop after this in case you want the last word. Both sides of the argument have had plenty of airing, and yes I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves)
And you making that comment using that robe is contributing to the flamewar
But why would Phillip be flaming when he lies about us?