Lawmakers in Florida are raising alarm over documents suggesting immigrant children and pregnant women could be detained at ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’
A draft operational plan obtained by the Miami Herald suggests minors could indeed be transported to the controversial site in the Everglades. The 35-page undated document details protocols to “separate minors from unrelated adults” and to provide “snacks and water” to minors, pregnant women and detainees with medical conditions during transport.
“The State of Florida is planning to send pregnant women and children to the ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ detention camp,” wrote State Senator Carlos Guillermo Smith on social media. “This is totally un-American. We cannot be silent.”
Call it what it is: Alligator Auschwitz
Dont put Ausschwitz so lightly. Thanks
You think Auschwitz started out openly with a plan to kill every detainee? German concentration camps were no different than this at the start. Mass cells for a designated group of “outsiders”. It was only later that the gas chambers were erected to cull the contained population to make room for more detainees. We are moments away from Auschwitz in America. If you can’t see that, you are deluded.
Ausschwitz was from the beginning a destruction camp
Concentration camps were not all for killing. Dachau was for political prisoners and only late 1944s got a gas chamber.
The nazis didnt kill the “undesireable races” right away. They used them as slaves. Only near the end they fully began the killing on industrial scale.
Hi. Greetings from germany. Exactly 20 minutes from Dachau KZ.
Lege dich nicht mit mir in einer Debatte über die Pläne und vorhergehensweise der Nazis an.
Interesting, so you’re telling me that everything I ever learned about Nazi occupied Poland is wrong then? The first gassings at Auschwitz were in 1941, 2 years after the first camp was established there. There were several camps but they started with one camp and worked their way up to gas chambers. If you’re going to tell me I’m wrong, your source ought to be better than “I’m a German millennial.” Because even the first 3 paragraphs on Wikipedia provide better sources than that.
Try me, I’ll argue all day about Nazi plans, because the only way to stomp out a flame is to know why it’s burning.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp
Lol im not even a millenial.
Yes Ausschwitz-Birkenau was a destruction camp. Yes the end goal of the nazis was always to kill the “undesierables”. But not every camp was a destruction camp. Im every camp they killed, but difference is on how and what scale.
It was the nazis plan from the beginning to kill, homosexuals, jews, sinti and roma, slavic people, homeless, and more. That was their end goal from the beginning yes. But to compare the thing going on in the USA, to a concentration camp like Ausschwitz-Birkenau, is negligent.
To elaborate on the nazi camps:
There were different types though. Work camps and destruction camps being the big two categories.
Destruction camps were to just kill. Work camps used the inmates as slaves for the industrie. They were still inhumane, cruel and barbaric, and didnt care about the lifes of the inmates. Though the goal here was not right away killing, but working the inmates to death threw exhaustion.
Putting these camp types on the same step deminishes the horrors of destruction camps. And comparing those things to what ever is going on in the USA (of which i dont have the full picture) deminishes the horrors of all the concentration camps.
Further elaboration:
There werent just camps in poland, but all over nazi occupied europe. France, Netherlands, Denmark, Italy, Belgium, Norway, Ukraine, Belerus, Poland, Lithuania aso.
The first one was build in 1933: Dachau. The model camp. It was a work camp with many outer camps like Augsburg-Pferrsee. In Augsburg-Pferrsee the inmates were forced to work in the Messerschmidt Factories for example.
The destruction camps were erected from spring 1942, with Ausschwitz-Birkenau being the first one, and began their industrial killing with the polish, jews and others. These are the once you think of when thinking concentration camps. Massive industrial killing with gas chambers.
Ausschwitz 1 was erected 1940. Death was massive, yes, but not threw gas chambers but threw starvation, lacking hygeen, and exhaustion from slave labor. It was a work camp. The work camps didnt do it on massive scale and only late into the war. In Dachau there was no gas chamber until 1943 as example.
What trump is building in florida can be categoriesed as a concentration camp, I dont disagree you there, but putting it as an equal to Ausschwitz-Birkenau, again, deminishes the true horrors of the holocaust.
All they have to do is fill it up and wait, hurricane season will take care of the rest of the plan.
Its a concentration camp. Don’t call it alligatoralcatraz.
Exactly. Call it Alligator Auschwitz.
It’s concentration camp. Why is anyone surprised?
So they’re sending children to death camps already? I thought it would take longer than this
they were already pushing children in concentration camps last trump administration.
And during the Biden administration.
God, how much I despise democrats and their BS ratchet.
Based on their laws, if the adverse setting they’ve placed a pregnant woman in causes a miscarriage, all of the employees are partially responsible for a homicide right? Since life begins at conception right?
The problem in your logic here is that immigrant children aren’t people in their eyes, so fetus or not they can’t be murdered.
When trump dies the world will celebrate
No one mourns the wicked
Alligator Auchwitz?
Alligator Auschwitz indeed
Gator Gulag?
*Trump Tower
Florida Lawmakers Sound Alarm Over Plans ‘To Send Pregnant Women & Children’ to
‘Alligator Alcatraz’concentration campFTFY
Alligator Auschwitz
just call it Alligator Auschwitz.
Of course they’re going to send children and pregnant women. Do they think the Nazi Germans were all “you know what? the jew kids and pregnant jew women are too much for this. lets leave them alone.” no. You don’t gear up for a genocide by picking and choosing those within the group you plan on genociding.
Call it what it is: a concentration camp, a death camp, or perhaps Alligator Auschwitz.
Alcatraz housed convicted felons. This place is housing non-criminals. Immigration is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket. If you ever stole something from the store or got in a fight, you’re more of a criminal than these folks.
Honest question, what’s flagging this as AI for you? I can generally catch them pretty easily, but I’m not seeing it here.
The sepia filter and the styling of the font as well as the whole overall feel is exactly like ChatGPT does cartoons.
Honestly, thank fuck for the AI studio Ghibli trend, they overtrained the models on that stuff and caused the easily recognizable piss filter to appear. Makes finding AI slop at a glance easier.
The inconsistent sizes of the guys did it for me
the main value of the piece is the joke that is clearly the user’s idea. the art itself is annoying.
The idea of leopards eating my face is not that original. I have seen similiar comics by real artists hundreds of times. I would much rather see those with credit than something ChatGPT generated.
Edit: Also, it’s not the users idea
Welll that WOULD be, if the joke wasn’t stolen.
stealing jokes? are you familiar with the term meme? as in the academic term?
noooooo, not AI 😮😮😱😱😭
Alligator Auswitz
Ok so. How has no one taken a drone out to this facility and gotten a recording of the entire exterior of it?
Because based on what I’ve seen, a couple of guys with bolt cutters could do some serious damage to it.
Hell, have we learned nothing from Ukraine? Get some cheap ass FPV drones to land with strips of thermite?
Like I’m 1.5k miles from where it is, so that’s a bit of a problem for me. But how is there no one in Florida capable of this kind of thinking?
It’s like everyone completely has no idea what “sabotage” is, and that you don’t need to hurt people to defeat a regime.
I do wonder whether it would be possible to use drones with explosives to blow these things up, ideally before people get there.
Not explosives. Too risky, too uncontrolled. Too much debris. Risk of drone leaving too much evidence behind to track. When stamping out cancer: precision when possible. Technology if necessary. Chemotherapy last.
These concentration camps are tumors, caused by an already widespread cancer, that is extremely slow to kill, but very resistant to chemo. The turmors can be excized to lengthen and improve the patient’s life by small amounts.
A sandwich bag of aluminum and rust with a magnesium starter will melt through 4 inches of steel.
A sandwich bag of aluminum and rust with a magnesium starter will melt through 4 inches of steel.
how do you apply that practically? you’ll hardly have time to install that setup on the car of an ICE vehicle or some place where you pass by by chance. Where else could that be useful?
Well, anything that is made of something that melts below 2500-4500 C for starters.
If your imagination is having a tough time figuring out how to deliver it, I recommend watching some videos out of Ukraine. As far as practicality, I’ll refer you to WWII sabotage tricks.
besides, the major reason why i like molotov cocktails and similar things is because of how easily they are made and it doesn’t require any special ingredients. they can be made either with alcohol or gasoline, and both are widely available. the thing with the aluminium, rust and magnesium is that some of these ingredients aren’t exactly what you’d find in every home, and if trump goes all-in, he surely will make it illegal to sell these things in shops if people actually do use it to build fireworks out of them.
Honestly, how is it any better to send young men there? I’m not wild about sending pregnant women and children there obviously, but…are we indicating that men don’t matter?
It said pregnant women and children. Which are both vulnerable populations that are more at risk for death from severe heat stress and malnutrition and stress .
Honestly, did you look at any of the pictures? You think people with delicate health conditions should be sent there? Really?
Also, I’m assuming you’re genuine, but there are many people who post similar comments, things like “All lives matter.” And yes, human life is worth respect, but at the same time, you don’t want to be confused with a bigoted troll.
A lot of our culture accepts and promotes the idea that men are inherently dangerous.
It is a depressing reality that to most people men (as a social class) are less important than others.
I think it’s nice actually that we can recognize that pregnant women and children are more vulnerable groups of people that sometimes require more protection than men. I say that as a man.
I second this. I am nowhere near as vulnerable as a pregnant woman or a child. I choose to put myself below them, as they are in the position of such vulnerability. I’m personally okay with that.
Yep, there is not a big cabal of pregnant women having concentration caps built to hold white men. Not all men are dangerous, but more are than pregnant women.
I for one am glad that at least some on the right are still reachable on this matter.
But if they were okay with subjecting men they deem less than to this, it’s still rather alarming, since it’s not that much of a leap to then pushing pregnant women and children into the same conditions, if they are considered part of the same group.
Human rights protections for men can also protect pregnant women and children.
Indeed, protecting human rights universally makes them harder to chip away at.
The more loopholes we, as a society, allow in our morality the weaker it is.
Sure, but there are some protections that apply to pregnant women and children that don’t apply to men. Ignoring that in the name of “equality” or dismissing that as “loopholes in morality” seems off base to me.
Why? All people should be spared inhuman behaviour.
I’m sorry but “i don’t like equality” feels like nonsense to me. Men should have every potection afforded to others.we should protect all people to the best of our ability.
That’s what I guess gets me. Of course we want to protect those that are even more at risk, but why does it take it going that far to talk about the fact that there is risk for anyone being held under such conditions?
“What we’re witnessing isn’t about security or solving problems,” they said in a joint statement, “It’s about inhumane political theater that endangers real people.”
Yep. It’s a theater of cruelty that would have delighted the Marquis de Sade.
